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RE: The Great Northern Conference - HawaiiMongoose - 05-27-2018 02:41 PM
(05-27-2018 07:37 AM)johnbragg Wrote:(05-27-2018 07:26 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote: If Idaho, Montana, Montana St, Sacramento St, Cal Poly, and UC Davis are all seeking FBS wouldn't it make more sense for them to all join the WAC rather than involve the Dakota schools in full membership? The Dakota schools could stay in the Summit and just be WAC fb affiliates.
If the standard is "wouldn't it make more sense" then almost none of this stands up.
It only hangs together to the extent that it does if you assume (with minimal to no evidence) that the Dakota 4 and the Montanas have a desperate, unrequited desire to be in an FBS conference together; a love so powerful that it bends time and space and creates exceptions in the NCAA rulebook.
Before even getting to the geography challenges, there’s the fundamental matter of who is FBS-ready in terms of fan support and facilities.
In my view, FBS-ready means already averaging an absolute minimum of 10,000 fans per game and having a stadium that can accommodate at least 15,000. An FCS school that meets those criteria could arguably leverage the draw of improved competition and visibility at the FBS level to raise its its attendance above the NCAA-mandated 15,000 per season, and wouldn’t have to spend a fortune on stadium expansion on top of the cost of funding more scholarships.
There are currently only six FCS schools west of the Mississippi that meet those criteria:
Montana
Montana State
Idaho
North Dakota State
South Dakota State
Stephen F. Austin
Eastern Washington, North Dakota and Abilene Christian each average a bit over 10,000 in attendance but have stadiums that seat well below 15,000. And while Eastern Washington and North Dakota have floated stadium expansion and replacement plans respectively, neither appears to have the funds to implement those plans.
Given the above I think the only way a new western FBS conference gets off the ground anytime soon is a realignment that puts together NMSU and the six schools listed above, plus at least one more school that’s willing to pour money into building an FBS-level football program. That eighth school could be UTRGV, which (1) is considering whether to start an FBS program from scratch following the UTSA model, (2) is located in a sufficiently populated market to generate an FBS-sized fan base, and (3) has a large enough enrollment to fund a significant increase in its athletics operating budget via student athletic fees.
I won’t speculate on how such a realignment could occur or under what conference banner it would take place. But if it relies on multiple schools other than the ones listed above transitioning to FBS, it’s a non-starter IMHO.
RE: The Great Northern Conference - johnbragg - 05-27-2018 04:52 PM
(05-27-2018 02:41 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote: I won’t speculate on how such a realignment could occur or under what conference banner it would take place. But if it relies on multiple schools other than the ones listed above transitioning to FBS, it’s a non-starter IMHO.
It's a non-starter for numerous reasons, many of which overlap each other.
RE: The Great Northern Conference - DavidSt - 05-27-2018 06:37 PM
FBS size stadiums west of the Mississippi river.
Montana
Texas Southern
Sacramento State
Grambling State
Portland State
South Dakota State
Montana State
North Dakota State
Idaho
Missouri State
McNeese State
Weber State
UAPB
Lamar
Northern Iowa
NW Louisiana State
Northern Arizona
SFA
Prairie View
On the edge that needs less than 5000 seats to be added.
Drake
Sam Houston State
North Dakota
Abilene Christian
Idaho State
Cal. Poly
SE Missouri State
UC-Davis
Nicholls State
South Dakota at 10,000
D2 FBS size stadiums:
West Texas A&M got over 22,500 as a record against Eastern New Mexico. Imagine if it is against New mexico State or UTEP?
UTPB
Texas A&M-Kingsville
Needs 5000 seats or less to have an FBS ready stadium.
Midwestern State needs 500 seats to be at 15,000.
Texas A&M-Commerce
Azusa Pacific
Central Missouri
Central Oklahoma
Dixie State have expansion of the stadium to 15,000.
You have to cut out the ones who will not go FBS like Drake, or cash strapped Grambling State.
RE: The Great Northern Conference - dbackjon - 05-29-2018 11:54 AM
(05-26-2018 11:58 AM)billings Wrote: had a cup of coffee with a person who works in montana st athletic dept. he blew coffee out his nose laughing about a great northern conference. he said while some membership changes may be being talked about in the big sky msu has zero interest in being in a midwestern based league and they must maintain a presence in the northwest and in cali.
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Obviously he is either not high up enough to be privy to the backroom deals, or is a very good actor covering the tracks!
RE: The Great Northern Conference - jacksfan29 - 05-29-2018 12:57 PM
(05-29-2018 11:54 AM)dbackjon Wrote:(05-26-2018 11:58 AM)billings Wrote: had a cup of coffee with a person who works in montana st athletic dept. he blew coffee out his nose laughing about a great northern conference. he said while some membership changes may be being talked about in the big sky msu has zero interest in being in a midwestern based league and they must maintain a presence in the northwest and in cali.
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Obviously he is either not high up enough to be privy to the backroom deals, or is a very good actor covering the tracks!
Secret agent sent into the community to plant false information in the hopes of keeping the super secret agenda under wraps till the big release date of June 30, 2018
RE: The Great Northern Conference - dbackjon - 05-29-2018 01:18 PM
(05-29-2018 12:57 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:(05-29-2018 11:54 AM)dbackjon Wrote:(05-26-2018 11:58 AM)billings Wrote: had a cup of coffee with a person who works in montana st athletic dept. he blew coffee out his nose laughing about a great northern conference. he said while some membership changes may be being talked about in the big sky msu has zero interest in being in a midwestern based league and they must maintain a presence in the northwest and in cali.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Obviously he is either not high up enough to be privy to the backroom deals, or is a very good actor covering the tracks!
Secret agent sent into the community to plant false information in the hopes of keeping the super secret agenda under wraps till the big release date of June 30, 2018
This is deep, really deep.
RE: The Great Northern Conference - Nerdlinger - 05-29-2018 01:37 PM
(05-29-2018 01:18 PM)dbackjon Wrote:(05-29-2018 12:57 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:(05-29-2018 11:54 AM)dbackjon Wrote:(05-26-2018 11:58 AM)billings Wrote: had a cup of coffee with a person who works in montana st athletic dept. he blew coffee out his nose laughing about a great northern conference. he said while some membership changes may be being talked about in the big sky msu has zero interest in being in a midwestern based league and they must maintain a presence in the northwest and in cali.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Obviously he is either not high up enough to be privy to the backroom deals, or is a very good actor covering the tracks!
Secret agent sent into the community to plant false information in the hopes of keeping the super secret agenda under wraps till the big release date of June 30, 2018
This is deep, really deep.
NoDak hasn't been logged in for a few days now. Do you suppose they finally found out he knows about their plan? :o
RE: The Great Northern Conference - MissouriStateBears - 05-29-2018 01:51 PM
I talked to some people in the Missouri State athletic department over the weekend. They haven't heard of any plans of the Summit splitting off football from the MVFC. Said the Dakotas were happy with their situation.
RE: The Great Northern Conference - DoubleRSU - 05-29-2018 02:28 PM
(05-29-2018 01:51 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote: I talked to some people in the Missouri State athletic department over the weekend. They haven't heard of any plans of the Summit splitting off football from the MVFC. Said the Dakotas were happy with their situation.
Obviously part of the grand plan my friend.
RE: The Great Northern Conference - IWokeUpLikeThis - 05-29-2018 03:48 PM
Just spoke with NoDak. He was sent a cease and desist letter.
RE: The Great Northern Conference - Nerdlinger - 05-29-2018 04:14 PM
(05-29-2018 03:48 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote: Just spoke with NoDak. He was sent a cease and desist letter.
That I might actually believe.
RE: The Great Northern Conference - billings - 05-29-2018 06:35 PM
(05-29-2018 01:18 PM)dbackjon Wrote:(05-29-2018 12:57 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:(05-29-2018 11:54 AM)dbackjon Wrote:(05-26-2018 11:58 AM)billings Wrote: had a cup of coffee with a person who works in montana st athletic dept. he blew coffee out his nose laughing about a great northern conference. he said while some membership changes may be being talked about in the big sky msu has zero interest in being in a midwestern based league and they must maintain a presence in the northwest and in cali.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Obviously he is either not high up enough to be privy to the backroom deals, or is a very good actor covering the tracks!
Secret agent sent into the community to plant false information in the hopes of keeping the super secret agenda under wraps till the big release date of June 30, 2018
This is deep, really deep.
He was wearing dark glasses and carrying a briefcase. hmmmm
RE: The Great Northern Conference - DoubleRSU - 05-31-2018 05:59 PM
Wasn’t today the deadline for D2 move-ups? Looks like Tarleton isn’t joining the WAC or Southland anytime soon.
RE: The Great Northern Conference - Stugray2 - 06-01-2018 12:51 PM
(05-31-2018 05:59 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote: Wasn’t today the deadline for D2 move-ups? Looks like Tarleton isn’t joining the WAC or Southland anytime soon.
Yes. Also the Great North cannot be an FBS conference before 2021 now (reclassification filings of all levels is June 1st).
RE: The Great Northern Conference - billybobby777 - 06-01-2018 02:12 PM
(05-29-2018 01:37 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:(05-29-2018 01:18 PM)dbackjon Wrote:(05-29-2018 12:57 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:(05-29-2018 11:54 AM)dbackjon Wrote:(05-26-2018 11:58 AM)billings Wrote: had a cup of coffee with a person who works in montana st athletic dept. he blew coffee out his nose laughing about a great northern conference. he said while some membership changes may be being talked about in the big sky msu has zero interest in being in a midwestern based league and they must maintain a presence in the northwest and in cali.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Obviously he is either not high up enough to be privy to the backroom deals, or is a very good actor covering the tracks!
Secret agent sent into the community to plant false information in the hopes of keeping the super secret agenda under wraps till the big release date of June 30, 2018
This is deep, really deep.
NoDak hasn't been logged in for a few days now. Do you suppose they finally found out he knows about their plan? :o
NoDak, Are you out there? We have 1 month until the official notice of the Big Norhern. What's the scuttlebutt?
RE: The Great Northern Conference - loki_the_bubba - 06-01-2018 03:42 PM
(05-31-2018 05:59 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote: Wasn’t today the deadline for D2 move-ups? Looks like Tarleton isn’t joining the WAC or Southland anytime soon.
I would wait to gloat until midnight PDT. There's still time!
RE: The Great Northern Conference - DavidSt - 06-01-2018 03:48 PM
(06-01-2018 03:42 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:(05-31-2018 05:59 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote: Wasn’t today the deadline for D2 move-ups? Looks like Tarleton isn’t joining the WAC or Southland anytime soon.
I would wait to gloat until midnight PDT. There's still time!
The holdup have to do with UTRGV if they want to add football or not. UTRGV was supposed to announced it a few weeks ago, but heard nothing from them.
RE: The Great Northern Conference - Nerdlinger - 06-01-2018 05:05 PM
(06-01-2018 12:51 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:(05-31-2018 05:59 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote: Wasn’t today the deadline for D2 move-ups? Looks like Tarleton isn’t joining the WAC or Southland anytime soon.
Yes. Also the Great North cannot be an FBS conference before 2021 now (reclassification filings of all levels is June 1st).
Unless NoDak has read the tea leaves slightly wrong, and the WAC is in fact destined to be the Great Northern Conference!
RE: The Great Northern Conference - DoubleRSU - 06-01-2018 07:45 PM
30 days and counting. The BS police has been hot on the trail.
RE: The Great Northern Conference - NoDak - 06-01-2018 09:50 PM
There is so much BS on this thread that is not worth responding to.
Everything is still set. The WAC will get Southland and California FCS teams by July 1st but won’t move until 2020. There is legitimate concern that California’s legislature will pass some BS bill that will harm any FCS school athletic budget attempting to move up. The California schools don’t want to give time to the legislature to upend their plans.
Big Sky teams will still move to the Summit and it shed their eastern teams with the same timeline.
The Atlantic Sun will still expand with wannabe FBS schools and shed NJIT and Lipscomb.
The FBS conference moveup rule doesn’t matter until at least FBS transitions start.
All of these league will still be FCS in 2020. The objective is to qualify for FBS by 2024 to be included the the next CFB contract.
Tarleton St did not get an invite from the WAC but will get a Southland invite next year. Have said Tarleton St to the WAC was just a ruse all along, but was mocked for it here. Tarleton needs to play football in the Southland in a bus league. The Southland will soon need to plan for more fb schools to replace those going the the WAC.
UTRGV still hasn’t announced their new fb team yet. That will happen when the WAC invites FCS teams that will later upgrade to FBS. UTRGV will upgrade to FBS on the same timeline as UTSA.